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Poll: Should Firecrackers and Bottle Rockets Be Legal In Minnesota?

Aerial fireworks aren't allowed in the state—on the 4th of July and throughout the year. We want to know what you think of the law.

 

Earlier this year, Gov. Mark Dayton vetoed a bill that would make aerial fireworks legal in Minnesota.

At the time, Dayton said fire officials convinced him that some Minnesotans are not responsible enough to light fireworks that explode in the sky.

A day before the 4th of July, we want to know what you think of the law.

Can you have enough festive fun with sparklers and ground spinners? Or do you feel you should be able to light bottle rockets, firecrackers and aerial spinners?

Answer our poll questions and explain how you feel in the comments.

(Oh, and have a wonderful Fourth of July, everyone!)

  • Do you light illegal fireworks on the 4th of July? (Don't worry, we won't tell.)

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes.
        210 (45%)
    • No.
        247 (54%)
    Total votes: 457
  • Should aerial fireworks be legal in Minnesota?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes.
        300 (64%)
    • No.
        163 (35%)
    Total votes: 463
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: 4th of July, Fireworks, and Fourth Of July

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Caitlin Burgess

12:49 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Personally, fireworks freak me out a little bit, so I just stick to the sparklers! But, for those who wish to have the "fun" ones, why not. Could mean a nice boost in sales tax revenue, right?

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Kris Janisch

1:07 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Heard a few folks say the state shouldn't have laws it can't/won't enforce.

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MJ

1:22 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Cannot stand neighborhood folks lighting off fireworks. As a parent of two young children, booms and crackling past 9 piss me off.

Also, it makes sense only on July 4th, not before, not after.

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Jim

1:32 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Did you read the news story of the 25 year old who impaled himself with an aerial firework? Plus, aerial fireworks and bottle rockets have landed on my roof from the neighbors lighting them off. Can you imagine what would happen if one of them had landed on a neighbor's roof who had wood shakes? How would you feel if your family or friend died because their house burned down from someone's firework?

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Dennis

10:51 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

I had a neighbor years ago who had just moved in. He was out until 2 am with his teenage boys shooting off firecrackers. In the morning, I found the remains of bottle rockets all over my yard and on my roof. My house could have burned down. Fortunately, they moved after less than a year. Oh, he was also a family practice doctor.

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Kris Janisch

1:35 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Totally get the concerns Jim. Maybe the larger question is whether the state should start enforcing people firing them off?

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Caitlin Burgess

1:36 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

A reader just commented on the Richfield Patch Facebook wall. Here's a portion of what he wrote:

No poll necessary. It should be legal. Proponents argue, correctly, that fireworks are fun and we might as well bring the sales and taxes to Minnesota instead of having our residents sneak across the border to get them. Opponents use the same tired argument they do on everything: "Somebody will get hurt." When you don't like something, but need to try to make just argument against it, you play the "someone will get hurt" card. Smart people call bullship on that right away. It's a free country; let people do what they please. If someone does get hurt, it's their responsibility. Why penalize everybody because of a misguided fear that someone might accidentally get hurt. People get hurt and killed in car wrecks every day. Should we outlaw cars? Several people have drowned this summer in pools and lakes. Should we outlaw swimming?

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Michelle

6:00 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

The person who gets hurt is not always at fault. Sometimes it happens to be an innocent bystander. I can tell you it isn't "fun" when a bottle rocket spins around and hits your bare leg! And why is it my resposibliity if I get hurt by something that someone else has done? Oh, I guess I should just stay home so that everyone else can have fun because of my "misguided fear" even though it did happen to me and does happen to alot of people! How is that misguided?

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Deena Long

8:03 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

I love that someone always plays the "state tax" card on why something should be legal here. It's not always about money for our state that makes something a great reason. That person is just making far fetched reasons to prove why he/she thinks fireworks should be legal. Ok, well I'll play along. Let's have a good fundraiser better than profiting from sales tax, let the police do their job and ticket the unlawful citizens and that will make a ton of money for city funding! Make the ticket $300 or so because #1 they are illegal and #2 you crossed state lines to bring them over, that's also illegal. 2 wrongs = good revenue!!

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Dennis

10:56 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Caitlin, you must not be following the news. Does Colorado Springs ring a bell? Fireworks cause fires. Even sparks from target shooting cause fires and may even be the cause for some of the Colorado fires. There are enough professional firework displays to entertain us. If kids want to make bang bang noises they should join the military.

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Mike Martin

9:50 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Im sorry I have to chime in here because people are ASSUMING. First off, Dennis the fires in Colorado were due to a lighting strike in a forest devistated by bettle kill. like South Dakota many trees have been killed by a bettle that left dead dry forests, a tinder box waiting to be started. Mother Nature started this fire not fireworks. Do not falsely accuse fireworks to try and prove your point.
Michelle: Your comments just proved Caitlins point, how many innocent bystanders have been mamed or killed in a car crash because of some irrisponsible person. Those people are prosocuted by the law, just like anyone who is irrisponsible with fireworks. Your "fear" that you talk about are you really afraid of someone with fireworks when you leave your home, or the person that is trying to abduct your child, or the criminal that breaks into your home, or mugger that stabs you to get your purse. Is fireworks really what worries you the most?
In the end folks no matter what man uses, there will be those that use it correctly and those that misuse them. As responsible adults it is our job to teach people the right way to use these and punish those that do it wrong. Making laws that are very difficult to enforce just makes responcible people made because they are being punished for the small number of people doing it wrong and the bad people will still do it and the police will not be able to enforce it. In the end who loses. The honest, responsible person.

Jim

1:41 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Caitlin; That's interesting. Should we go back and let pools have whatever drains they want? Just because a child got hurt and her intestines were ripped out of her body shouldn't prohibit other children from having fun and swimming in pools with the same drain. Should we allow people to drive in cars while drinking? Just because a few people get hurt shouldn't impinge on people having fun and drinking and then have more fun while driving home?

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Danny Urban

2:37 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

I am all for it, as long as someone is 18, and has a drivers license or a state issued picture id.

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Tag Wagley

2:40 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Caitlin makes a huge point, why should others suffer because of someone else's mistake. Now we may not be suffering, we are upset. I honestly don't understand why I haven't heard of any firework companies allow bottle rockets or firecrackers sales in Minnesota, it would boost their income by alot. But that's my opinion and since this is the USA everyone is entitled to their own.

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Tag Wagley

2:43 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

And why should the opinion of 5 officials make Dayton believe that Minnesotans are not responsible enough. For the people by the people that's what should have convinced him

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B. Martin

2:38 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

"by the people" means elections, not polls. This is a representative form of government, not a simple democracy. The United States has never been a simple democracy.

Tag Wagley

2:49 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

And MJ if people light off fire works that keeps your kids up, I'm sorry but it should be their given right to. But there could be something like a curfew for fireworks, so that anyone lighting of fireworks after 10 or 11 pm gets a decent size ticket.

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Susan

3:37 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

I say we should ask emergency room doctors.

Jim is correct, we must regulate some things that are inherently dangerous...which includes fireworks. I mean, think about it, this is a hand held explosive device that will burn and/or mutilate.

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Shawn Hogendorf

5:14 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

I tend to agree with Kris that the larger issue is enforcement.
For those of us in the Stillwater area, living along the 94 corridor, or in any Wisconsin border town for that matter, what do regulations really mean if a person can buy all the fireworks they want to just a few minutes down the road in Hudson?

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Susan

5:37 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

You're right, and I think this is why so many people do it and get away with it. Any town that is putting on a fireworks display will have it's police force busy with the areas where the people are congregating, and on the highways/roads in and out of town. A call to the police about the neighbor kids lighting off bottle rockets will probably go unanswered.

Randy Marsh

6:02 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Few areas showcase natural selection quite like people's fascination with firecrackers, bottle rockets and other rinky dink fireworks (sparklers don't really count). I'm not opposed to kids blowing up the birdhouse of the grumpy old man down the street once in a while, but nothing exemplifies trash quite like some hillbilly with a raging woody lighting off firecrackers in the driveway. I feel a lot worse for the dogs that get spooked by fireworks than any moron who loses a digit because he or she doesn't know how to light them off properly, or can't drink and light them off responsibly.

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Susan

9:28 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Randy, I had to laugh at your colorful and (mostly) correct comment. I truly love the last sentence that uses the words "fireworks", "drink", and "responsibly" together...priceless!

Yes, I think many who are proponents of legalizing these dangerous little explosives are using a faulty argument....that everything can be dangerous. Well, let's just compare it to drunk driving. Yes, it hurts some people, but we should make it legal because most will do it responsibly....uuhhmmm, I don't think so.

rob_h78

7:09 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

As long as after they blow off their hand - show up at the ER that they can either pay for the medical care or have insurance - otherwise don't ask me to pay for their stupidity.

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Bill Murphy

12:29 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Last night on wcco they were talking about fireworks and they said roman candles were legal in Minnesota and the St. Paul fire chief didn't correct them on it. f the fire chief who is in charge of handling fireworks doesn't know the law how dangerous are these so called aerial fireworks. More people are hurt from automobiles than fireworks so lets ban autos.More people are hurt from people not paying attention to what they are doing so lets ban people too. Do you get the picture yet?

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Randy Marsh

9:13 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Bill's post is so full of stupidity it's almost not worth bothering with, but if you can't see an inherent difference with something like transportation (automobiles) that is required in any functioning society and fireworks that provide a few jollies once a year then nothing I say can help you. Also, which fire chiefs exactly are "in charge of handling fireworks"? It sounds like all of these arguments (Jay, primarily) also apply to legalizing marijuana so I hope you'll all support those measures as well.

F. Eidbo

8:05 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Quite frankly I am glad they don't enforce the law. I think there are much more important things for our police officers to be doing on the fourth. Like catching Drunk Drivers. And since you can't enforce it why have it? If people are going to just run across the boarder and get the fireworks and launch them with no trouble from enforcement I would rather have them buy the fireworks here. It's funny actually how everybody says bottle rockets and firecrackers are dangerous but sparklers actually cause the most visits to the emergency room.

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Jay Ryan

8:59 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

The irresponsible people already use illegal fireworks. Legalizing them wouldnt change much other than allowing alot of responsible people to have them. You CAN believe it or not use aerial fireworks safely and have fun. For the amount of people using them id have to think that the ratio of arms being blown off and families being burned up in their homes is pretty small. Just like just about anything in life, there are Inherent dangers. That doesnt mean we have to live in bubbles.

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Bill Murphy

9:49 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Randy the fire chiefs in each city are in charge of handling fireworks not the police. The fire chiefs set the rules and the police are supposed to enforce the laws set by the fire chiefs. Now that you know a litle more about things maybe your the one who is ignorant.

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Randy Marsh

3:52 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Wow, I guess our fire chief is way underpaid. In addition to lobbying a (Stillwater) mayor and council for a costly and unnecessary fire station that does not adequately serve the residents who need it most, the chief apparently sets parameters, makes laws and lights the match to set off the several minutes of color and choreography in the sky for our annual fireworks show. I didn't realize non-elected city officials have the power to enact laws, but clearly I have engaged in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Does the chief also coordinate the music and guarantee clear skies while he's at it?

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Mark Kulda

1:04 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012

Bill....you are very misinformed.
Fire Chiefs don't set laws.
The city councils pass ordinances that can regulate fireworks and the state legislature can pass laws that regulate fireworks but city police chiefs and fire chiefs have nothing to do with "setting laws dealing with fireworks" as you imply. They enforce the laws and ordinances that are passed by city councils and the State Legislature.
The problem with your little analogy that more people are hurt and killed with automobiles so let's ban cars is a bit of a stretch.
Cars and driving are strictly regulated by the state so when an accident happens and somebody is hurt or killed by another driver's negligence it is very easy to find out who was responsible and you can take action against them by making them pay a fine or get jail time and by revoking their license to drive.
But with fireworks, which does not take a license to buy or use, it would be very difficult to prove to a jury who was the person that bought and was setting off fireworks that hurt an innocent person and therefore it would be nearly impossible to hold that person accountable for their negligence. It's a huge difference.

Hopefully now you know a little more about what you were trying to talk about and people can't complaint you are ignorant anymore.

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Shawn Hogendorf

10:03 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

What do you mean by "handling fireworks," Bill?
Also, fire chiefs don't set laws.

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kristi

10:32 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Trained people do "work". No training required for "play". This issue is about fireworks not fireplay . I agree with keeping the MN law way the way it is. The analogies and comparisons made To change current law in MN don't work for me. Go to a state where what you want to do is legal. If you are in a location where what you want to do is illegal
Then help society by please not doing it.

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Susan

10:59 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

- In the United States annually, over 2,000 reported structure or vehicle fires were caused by fireworks. These fires resulted in numerous civilian deaths, multiple civilian injuries, and millions in direct property damage.

- The majority of fireworks injuries occurred during a 30 day period (June 23rd - July 23rd). In addition to July 4th other periods for injuries are New Years Eve and other holidays.

- Annually, over 9,000 people in the United States are treated at hospital emergency rooms for fireworks-related injuries.

- Burns are by far the leading type of fireworks injury. Contusions and lacerations were second. Hands or fingers were injured the most followed by injuries to the eye.

- Injuries to children 5 and under were caused by sparklers which are viewed as harmless and not dangerous. Sparklers burn at temperatures of 2,000 degrees, which is the same as a burning match. Injuries to children 5-14 years of age were caused by firecrackers and bottle rockets.

- Males accounted for three-fourths (75%) of fireworks injuries.

- Annually, firecrackers cause the greatest number of injuries followed by bottle rockets and sparklers.

- BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND QUANTITIES IN USE, FIREWORKS POSE A HIGHER RISK OF FIRE DEATH THAN ANY OTHER CONSUMER PRODUCT.

Source:
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Federal Emergency Management Agency
United States Fire Administration
National Fire Data Center

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Peggy Sue

12:46 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

The neighborhoods are hugely impacted for a month before and a month after the 4th of July by the noise of fire crackers, both legal and illegal, going off day and night. The neighborhoods pay the price for a few individuals who have no regard for the quality of life/sleep/right to quiet of the nearby home owners. That is actually true of noise issues in the neighborhoods every night of the year. Stillwater police don't search out noise issues on those days nor on the 4th of July. They're "too busy downtown" on the 4th. What are they "too busy" doing on the other nights?

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Tim Genck

2:16 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Yes. Keep the tax revenue in MN and not WI.

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Wendy Erlien

3:31 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Here's what a few people are commenting on the Maple Grove Patch Facebook page to the question "Should Firecrackers and Bottle Rockets Be Legal In Minnesota?:

- ABSOLUTELY NOT. Random acts of fireworks can send troops with post traumatic stress into a tailspin.

- I don't get it. The state wants to save us from ourselves with some laws (seatbelt, texting, drunk driving, et all - all good) but may allow some of the most dangerous activities. Will the state be subsidizing cities' EMS and FD personnel to cover the added incidents?

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Prince

1:23 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012

How many years were they legal and how much fun did you have as a child doing this in your back yard with your family every year, I say legalize those things here and just designate a park or opened space to use them where there are fixed areas to place and light them off away from homes and grumpy neighbors who have forgotten the fun of it all. On another note keep M80's out of the loop those things suck and are far worse than any thing I've seen lit on the 4th of July my entire life. Everything is dangerous, even people so in a every argument there will be nay Sayers that use what if arguments and thumb uppers that use the "well this is bad too so why isn't that illegal" counter none of which reall holds weight because both are true. The difference is the people doing the arguing.

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Craig

9:50 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012

I'd be okay with legalizing them if they put a device in the firework which only allowed them to be lit within a certain time period. Until that time, I say ixnay on the ireworksfay.

Donna Schmitt

9:20 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012

Just legalize them. People will do stupid things whether they are legal or not. (People still drink and drive and drinking is still legal.) We are losing out on a lot of revenue by not legalizing them. Police don't have enough cops to stop all illegal fireworks. With all the sales of illegal fireworks to Minnesotans in neighboring states, only a few are caught. But I also think we should allow each city or park to ban and or regulate them as they choose.

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Craig

9:44 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012

Sounds like a great argument for legalizing marijuana.

Dave Nehring

12:23 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012

I agree, Donna. People need to learn to be more accountable, and government needs to stay out of our daily lives in this manner. Too much nanny state. We need to remember what the day itself is - Independence Day - and actually look at our personal independence we are supposed to be celebrating, and understand that allowing devices on fireworks to keep them from lighting, or any number of other over-the-top security measures brought upon us in recent history limits our independence by making us all feel very dependent on Big Brother to keep us "safe"

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Susan

12:34 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012

The "personal accountability" argument is great, but how do you enforce it? We have been having another debate here on Patch about the same thing. We must face it, there will always be idiots who are not responsible, like drunk drivers and those who foolishly mix alcohol and fireworks. This is why the government steps in....to make laws trying to protect people from those who are irresponsible. Is it right, I am not sure, but I am glad that less people are allowed to legally be irresponsible.

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Susan

1:10 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012

So.... It is legal to own a hand gun,rifle, shotgun, and other firearms... but illegal to shoot off fireworks?

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Susan

1:21 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012

But are we allowing our children to "play" with guns? I am not arguing your point, I think it's a great one, but I think the problem is often that people don't recognize how dangerous fireworks are.

Great profile name. :)

Joshua

2:22 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012

I grew up and spent most of my life in Kansas, a firework friendly state. I've lived here in Minnesota for the past 12 years. One thing that I've noticed here is that most people either casually support or are extremely irritated by fireworks.

Trust me, there were never any "horror" stories about kids or adults destroying themselves with aerial or concussive/report style fireworks where I grew up. Once it's legalized, people get used to them, plain and simple. The state may allow "real" fireworks to be purchased and used, but it boils down to the city ordinances. That's how it worked in Kansas. You'd have to go out of city limits to purchase/use for most towns, but some towns did in fact allow it. Those were where the responsible people lived.

I do have a suggestion though that could promote a safe 4th of July holiday while using "real" fireworks should the law change: cities could designate some parks as legal areas to shoot them off, under the supervision of the local fire departments. If anyone was doing something irresponsible or stupid, give them a warning and/or write a citation. Teach the citizens and the children how to be safe, and should something bad happen, help is right there immediately available. This is also how some towns in Kansas operate.

I can see the fire officials point though, but I think their argument is essentially: "If 100% of all participants cannot act in a safe manner then they should be illegal." That's never going to happen.

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SomeGuy

3:19 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012

For whatever reason, there is no effort to enforce the law in Woodbury.

Last night (the 4th), there was a longer than two-hour window of constant fireworks in Stonemill Farms going until at least 11 when I nodded off. It was a bit like being in a war zone. And that followed some truly spectacular fireworks which occurred the night before. If the amount spent on fireworks is any indication (my neighbor spent more than $1000 on his show this year), I'd say we've turned the corner on the recession (which is worth celebrating).

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Kris Janisch

3:55 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012

Thanks Guy. I did talk to the PD this morning. No one blew their fingers off or anything last night.

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Irving

1:23 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012

I have a hard time distinguishing between the arguments for allowing dogs and allowing fireworks. My 10 year old son has now been bitten 3 times by dogs, all while he was outside either walking with me or at the playground with his friends. I had my ear torn by a dog as a teenager, and as an avid bike rider I've had dogs chase my bike and I'm always a bit worried about being hamstrung.

Dogs are obviously a danger to others, just like fireworks. They obviously make lots of unwanted and often annoying noises, and certainly the 'litter' they leave behind is every bit as unpleasant as shredded fireworks.

I'd be interested in someone explaining to me how dogs should be allowed and fireworks shouldn't?

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Joshua

2:14 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012

Besides personal injury, dogs don't usually burn houses down.

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Susan

7:05 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012

Irving, I have to wonder where you live...I was bit by a dog once as a child (I was teasing it), and my teenage son has never been bit. I'm sorry for your bad luck, but I don't know if your circumstances would be considered average.

I've posted statistics above, with the most important one being in CAPS. I agree, dogs can be dangerous when having irresponsible pet owners and/or bad circumstances, but I think if you factor in the number of dogs vs. the statistic information above, you would have to come to the conclusion that, as a whole fireworks are more dangerous than the average pet dog.

Irving

10:25 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012

Joshie - that is a very good point, and I recognize you said that as well Susan.

The 1st time my son was bit was on the 4th of July in Gordon Wisconsin. He was a toddler walking with one hand held by my wife and the other waving free as he toddled. A dog came racing by and took a bite on his hand, puncturing and tearing his skin.

The 2nd time he was 6 years old and at his grandfathers house in St. Paul, and a dog raced up and when my son understandably was frightened and raised his hands, the dog slashed him in the arm.

3rd time he was 9 and we were hiking in 7 Mile Creek park near Mankato. A dog owner opened a van door releasing a couple of excited little girls and two hyperactive dogs. The dogs were running all over scenting and barking crazily, and they ran by me snapping as I dodged and a second later they hit my son, tearing up his leg. If he hadn't been wearing very heavy hiking pants, he would be crippled rather than just punctured.

Per http://www.dogsbite.org, 1000 people per *day* require emergency treatment due to dog bites.

And all that said, I do agree that dog owners are the problem - in each case, the dog owner claimed the dog was perfectly safe, and in all cases the dog was off the leash and overly stimulated, and with my son giving off understandable fear signals, he seems to now be the target.

I'll continue to believe dogs are at least as dangerous as fireworks.

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Susan

11:41 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012

Good point and well argued. As you said, it does seem to be the fault of the irresponsible pet owners. It's too bad, and I truly hope your son does not have a fear of dogs for life.

Doing a quick search to try and compare statistics (using your link for dog statistics), I found some interesting information. I couldn't find studies for the same years, but I did get somewhat close:
In 2008 there were about 316,000 ER visits for dog bites, and my statistic above shows about 9,000 ER visits for fireworks plus 2,000 reported fires. In 2011 there were 31 deaths from dog bites, and 5 deaths from fireworks (not including those who may have died in structures having caught on fire).

A couple other stats: 200,000 gun injuries each year, with 31,000 deaths.
520,000 people injured by alcohol related accidents, with 25,000 people killed.

67% of Americans drink alcohol.
10% of Americans will drive drunk each year.
44% of Americans have dogs.
30% of Americans own a gun.
??% of Americans use fireworks.

It's hard to make direct comparisons without knowing the final percentage, but I found the stats interesting.

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Susan

11:58 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012

I think it's interesting that the smallest percentage of people (10%) will cause the largest number of injuries, and second largest number of fatalities....drunk drivers. I think I also read that these numbers have remained about the same for the last ten years, which tells me that what is being done to stop it is not working.

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